dg4u51
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Post by dg4u51 on Oct 18, 2008 14:44:21 GMT -5
This is my first time posting so before I begin I'd like to say hi to everyone . I just saw watching the detective and I'm still in shock. This has to be one of the worse written scripts to make its way on screen. Although Cillian Murphy was endearing to a certain degree, his and fellow actors' overacting make me cringe in shame. Cillian seems to repeat his facial expressions from previous movies and his hand gestures got on my nerves. I have no doubt that this man is very talented but to have two movies go straight to DVD or limited release is saying something about his career choices. You stated that you didn't want to make trash well I hate to say it " YOU DID".
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Post by rukia888 on Oct 18, 2008 16:24:14 GMT -5
Eh, it wasn't too bad. It wasn't remarkable, but it was a pretty typical romantic comedy to me. It had a few good laughs. I wouldn't call it "trash," but you weren't the first fan to react this way though. Many Cillian fans absolutely despised it, but I don't think as Cillian fans we're supposed to love each and every movie that he makes. We all have different tastes. I have no doubt that this man is very talented but to have two movies go straight to DVD or limited release is saying something about his career choices. You stated that you didn't want to make trash well I hate to say it " YOU DID". I have to disagree with you on this. I don't think having movies go straight to DVD or to limited release shows that he's making bad career choices. There are many movies that come out on limited release but are very good quality movies. I think he's very smart to choose roles that interest him and not just roles that will "bring in the money." I don't think he's really looking for commercial success as an actor, and maybe he's not even looking for critical success. I think he looks for roles that challenge him or that he's passionate about. He's looking to grow as an actor, not to please his fans. Quite honestly, I don't really think he cares about what his fans think. Which is fine. I'm open to see each and every one of his movies. I'm not expecting to like all of them, and he's allotted to have a "bad" movie now and then. I mean, I can't really think of a good actor who has consistently made good movies.
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dg4u51
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Post by dg4u51 on Oct 19, 2008 7:11:34 GMT -5
I'm not sure he's choosing roles that interest him. I think he wants to make himself known to the American public. The truth is he isn't that well known nor famous. You don't think he's interested in commercial success as an actor I don't buy it. When he starts bringing in the big dollars we will get a glimpse of the real Cillian Murphy.
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Post by Pisces on Oct 19, 2008 13:40:35 GMT -5
I have to say that this is one of Cillian's movies that I will never watch. I can tell enough about a movie from its previews to know whether or not it's something I am interested in- and quite frankly, if a film looks poor enough to me that seeing Cillian would be the only reason I would see it... well, that's just not good enough. I apply the same standards to Cillian's movies that I do ALL movies- Does this look interesting to me? Does this look like something I would want to spend my time with? Am I intrigued by the potential story? With regards to Watching the Detectives, the answer to all those questions, to me, was NO.
I won't go into whether or not Cillian wants to be a commercial success or whether he cares what his fans think. I don't know the man and have no idea what he thinks. But I am not a blind fan who rushes out to see everything the man has done, no matter what. It's got to be worthwhile. In my opinion, WTD was not. When and if Cillian ever again makes something I'm interested in, I'll be thrilled to see it... and if he doesn't... (shrug)- I will always enjoy the movies of his that I currently love. But I do wish that he would find better roles lately, because he has such incredible talent and I WANT to see him more. I'm just not willing to despoil my admiration of him by cringing through what I think is substandard work from him.
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Post by rukia888 on Oct 19, 2008 14:48:55 GMT -5
I guess I shouldn't have assumed what Cillian does or doesn't want in his career as an actor. You're right, Pisces, we don't know what he really wants because we're not him. I have disagree with you in regards about being a "blind fan." I don't think watching all of his movies necessarily means you're a "blind fan." I think watching all of his movies and absolutely loving each and every one of them... that might be a better definition of a "blind fan." (But every fan has his or her own personal preferences when it comes to movies...) Anyway, Cillian's one of my favorite actors, and I love seeing him on-screen. I'm always curious to see how well he does in his movies and compare and contrast. I've seen most of his movies, and there were a few that just didn't cut it for me. It's fine for me though because you never know if you'll really like a movie until you watch it.
I don't think Cillian wants to make himself known to the American public, Dg4u51. It just doesn't make sense when you look at the movies he's made so far and his upcoming projects. Most of them are indie, British, or Irish movies. Those movies usually don't fare well with American audiences. In addition, he hasn't made that many mainstream American movies... only Batman Begins and Red Eye so far. I would think if he wanted to break into the American movie scene more, he would be taking more roles in movies with big-name American directors and be in more mainstream American movies. WTD doesn't count because Paul Soter was a first-time director. Anyway, this is just my opinion. I'm not him, so what would I know?
On an end note, I would love to see Cillian in more mainstream movies! It'll just make it easier for me to see his movies, but we'll just have to wait and see what the future holds.
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Post by Pisces on Oct 19, 2008 16:46:36 GMT -5
Rukia- you make a very good point about his indie choices- it does seem almost as if he might be avoiding the larger studio projects with some purpose, though I do hope that he is not limiting himself to mostly indies out of some sense of keeping himself "pure" as an actor. There are and have been some true classics that were big-budget movies from America, and I would hate to see Cillian disdain these in the future out of fear of "selling out." I would respect any sort of movie he did, big or small, American or otherwise, if it lives up to his talent level. I also agree about your definition of "blind fan"- that term should be more appropriately have been directed at those who feel he can do no wrong. LOL. There is nothing wrong with giving all of his films a shot, I suppose. I just have a personal aversion to watching someone with such talent using so little of it onscreen. And sense of humor is a funny thing too... there is nothing more uncomfortable to me than watching bad comedy- or at least, sitting silently though scenes that I am aware are supposed to be funny but do not work for me. Ouch. Hence my avoidance of WTD- I can tell it's not my brand of humor. Nothing wrong with it being someone else's.
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saintkitten
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Post by saintkitten on Oct 20, 2008 2:50:34 GMT -5
Well, I have to say that I agree with Rukia when she says that Cillian seems to choose roles he likes or that he's interested into, while it seems he doesn't care about commercial success , or about what fans think , and I have to say that even if this is just something we are guessing, it is something that I agree with, something that makes me proud of him, because that means he's acting because he likes doing it and because it is something that satisfies him , and it happens to be one thing he does very very well. I don't think he is trying to reach the American audience at any cost, and I don't think that having movies released straight to DVD means that you're making wrong choices in your career, I think it just means that the marketing choices of the film industry go in another direction from your taste. And that does not necessarily means that they're right while you're not, it is a matter of taste while for the industries it is a matter of money . I, as a fan, and just like Rukia says, enjoy watching him on screen, I enjoy seeing how he plays different roles, in different contexts, so I like watching everything he does, this doesn't mean I am a "blind fan", because once I've watched it I can like or dislike it, I actually don't like some of the movies he has made, while I do - so far- like all of his performances, the two things don't go necessarily together : a screenplay can be very poor but the actor can still make a great performance out of it , for what concerns his own role. And this is what I think for example about "Watching The Detectives" , comedy by the way is not my favorite kind of films, however it was funny and interesting watching Cillian playing Neil . I just have a personal aversion to watching someone with such talent using so little of it on screen. Don't assume his talent is wasted because the story is poor, a great actor knows how to play well also a "not - so - interesting" role and shows his talent even in "not-so-good" movies. I have to say that even if I do too wish he will never preclude himself from any role that can be good , whether indie or mainstream it could be , I feel very proud of him being not so commercial , I find it very representative of him, I imagine him being such a discreet and delicate personality ,I find it outstanding.
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saintkitten
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Post by saintkitten on Oct 20, 2008 2:51:37 GMT -5
P.S. I forgot to say, welcome to the board, dg4u51 !
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Post by Pisces on Oct 20, 2008 18:24:45 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have to assume his talent is being wasted if the story is poor. To me, that is the very definition of waste - a great actor involving himself deliberately in a poor story. I can't understand the decision behind it, though I know actors have bills to pay, too, and I am well aware that every role is not going to earn major awards. It's just difficult for me personally to see waste in any form. I realize that he wants to do many types of roles, but I also think that there are some things he should "just say no" to. LOL. I say all of this with respect for your opinion, saintkitten- you articulated your point very well. But as I said, someone as talented as Cillian choosing a poor story on purpose seems to be cavalier decision-making that he may well regret at some future point. Of course he acts because he loves it- but I also assume he has gone into making films rather than only plays because he loves that experience in particular- and if he continues making decisions like some of his recent ones, he may eventually run out of opportunities to be in films. There are a LOT of talented actors out there. If Cillian strings together enough bad movies in a row, he WILL lose chances at good scripts. I don't want that to happen to him.
Having said that, I am not his agent and don't claim to be. I'm sure he doesn't need my advice. LOL.
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Post by saintkitten on Oct 21, 2008 23:45:35 GMT -5
Unfortunately, I have to assume his talent is being wasted if the story is poor. To me, that is the very definition of waste - a great actor involving himself deliberately in a poor story. Oh I see , well I understand your point even if mine is different, and in that case it is probably better if you keep avoiding this, because the story is indeed kinda poor (in my opinion). I really don't know why Cillian decided to do this, maybe he doesn't find the story so bad , or maybe he just wanted to try and see how was playing a different kind of role, something that was funny and very "easy".... I have to say that, even if I liked Cillian's performance , this kind of ironic roles really don't fit him...just take as an example the scene in the bathtub (that I'm pretty sure most of us have seen, it's on Youtube) , if you imagine the same scene with another actor, someone who is typically involved with laughter , Ben Stiller maybe ; I think it makes definitely another impression ;D
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Post by discoharvest on Jan 7, 2009 20:38:44 GMT -5
i finally saw this movie......and it was WEIRD lol, but good, i liked it
Cillian was soooo HOT!!!!
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Post by Glas Smaragaide on Jan 8, 2009 0:24:00 GMT -5
Well, I think Cillian chose it because it was different. He just did some big films/dramas like Batman, Red Eye, Breakfast on Pluto, Wind That Shakes The Barley, Edge of Love....
Cillian seems to like wrong footing people. The media pegged him as Mr. Evil because of TWO roles, and then he comes out with Kitten and scores major recognition. Maybe he just wanted to relax and try something light and silly.
WTD is not a great film....but to geeks like me, I found it VERY funny. I thought Cill showed good comic timing that will only get better. He's just that versatile an actor, and he doesn't take himself too seriously either.
The way I see it, many comedies of the past few years have become realllllllly raunchy. I will tell you right now I am NOT a fan of Apatow's comedies. I'm not a prude by any means either and have quite the colorful sense of humour. But its like they try too hard to push the envelope and end up being overly crass, gross and just not funny.
I miss some of the subtle humour. I think of the many comedies of the past that I thought were truly hilarious, would never make it in today's cinema.
And sometimes I just like a cute, dumb film that makes me giggle like an idiot.
Plus, I have to add that I hang out and went to Uni with "Gumshoe Video" people. So, WTD made me really laugh hard.....I know a "Neil" and a "Violet" (they're not dating...lol)...and honest to God I have broken up Japanese anime arguments on several occasions.
Yeah, I'm a totally unashamed geek
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Post by ontheedge79 on Jan 21, 2009 19:31:11 GMT -5
yeah im a nerd. he was like me in this, big movie freak... and thats me. i loved seeing him doing a comedy, hes great. i like the movie, im watching it right now. This is something i love about cillian, he can play whatever roll he wants. he has yet to dissapoint me.
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Post by Pisces on Apr 13, 2009 20:29:54 GMT -5
After avoiding this movie for quite some time, I finally gave it a go today, and I have to say that I stand somewhat corrected on my original stance that it looked terrible. I have to be honest and admit that it was actually a decent movie, though of course nowhere near the level of quality that I have come to expect from Cillian's movies.
Cillian himself is very endearing in this. Once I set aside my preconceptions of Cillian from my oh-so-treasured favorite roles of his (Rippner, Capa... all the intensity you could ask for), I was able to enjoy his performance in this much more than I had though possible. He was definitely going for something completely different here; something easy and versatile, and he found it. The best laughs definitely arise from the discussions in the movie store. I have to confess to being one of these movie freaks myself, and enjoyed the sense of familiarity. Lucy Liu is the weak link in the movie, to my mind, but Cillian compensates for her and then some with his genuine warmth and hapless determination.
To sum it up, it was better than I expected, and I don't know why I avoided it for so long. It is not his best film by any stretch of the imagination. I suppose that, when I look at his body of work, I must rank WTD at the bottom because everything else is so high-line. But if this is the worst Cillian can do, then I am pretty damned impressed. He gave this movie a spark it would otherwise not have had.
Having said all of that, I am looking forward to INCEPTION ravenously. The comedy was nice, but I crave a good, intense Cillian more than anything, and I can't wait to have him back.
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Post by Glas Smaragaide on Apr 14, 2009 14:40:02 GMT -5
Having said all of that, I am looking forward to INCEPTION ravenously. The comedy was nice, but I crave a good, intense Cillian more than anything, and I can't wait to have him back. You said it bb...I can't WAIT for "Inception"....Chris Nolan knew he had a good thing with Cillian since Batman Begins. I was rather peeved he has such a 'walk on' role in Dark Knight...but it was Heath's film, so I don't hold any grudges. I really like WTD. F*ck the haters. It was a cute and funny film. I highly enjoyed it. But I'm not into some of the comedies of the last couple of years. I LOATHE Apatow with a passion. Pineapple Express is the exception because of James Franco. I like the old rom com's...they didn't need to be 'in your face' and overly gross. I'm not a prude by any means. Give me the 80's comedies any day of the week....plus, I will always love the 'old school' films.
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