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Post by wikkleshamrocks on Feb 16, 2012 20:47:15 GMT -5
LOL there's a challenge for Cillian! Ya know Zombz I wouldn't put it past him to take on such roles you mentioned there... it's a case if he likes the script and challenge of the character role I would say. And my personal regard for Cillian on the looks front is that I don't think he's unusual looking at all. He's just very handsome. ;D
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Post by Alisa on Feb 18, 2012 23:00:31 GMT -5
[quote author=pisces board=Runt thread=4327post=131453time=1328973307[/quote]I've gone on a rant or two about the steady diet of indies Cillian tends to exist upon; I don't think they have all been beneficial to his career.[/quote]
Yep, Not all of them, certainly... This world would have survived without Sunburn... And some others too.
I think the biggest difference of opinion here is the definition of a career. I don't think the film needs to be big to do it's job. Which is to tell a story to this world. Not to be cool or to look good... In Time tried to be cool, but failed. More money means more potential to make a good movie, but often that money is used to make the film look sexy or something else that has nothing to do with the plot. Like ZombieKitten, I enjoy Nolan's films where the money is used good.There are good films in hollywood. And I really want Cillian to be in one of those. In a leading role. So far I have enjoyed his Irish films most. Something Pisces mentioned made me think of There Will Be Blood. I want Cillian to be in a film as good as that. He always says the script is the thing he chooses the films by... Except for In Time. He said he chose that 'cause he wanted to work with Andrew Niccol(Someone please correct me if I'm wrong). IMO that wasn't a good idea. I like Leon as a character, but didn't like the film that much. Directors with a name or a status aren't always a guarantee of quality. He should have seen that when he read the script. The dialogue was so bad... I don't think a good career means one should be BIG and known everywhere in the world, but to make good films with a good story. I am forever grateful to Cillian for Breakfast On Pluto, for it was one of the best films of the past decade, and 'cause I know he pestered the director to make it before he got too old for it. I want him to do something as epic as that this year, but I agree with Wikkleshamrocks about him deserving a break and not being a circus act to entertain people. I want At Swim-Two-Birds to happen, though I haven't read the book. I'll read it after watching the film... Or if they announce they'll never make it.
Edit: I'd like to add that I do appreciate if a film looks good. If I didn't, I might as well be reading books all day long. But the looks has to come with a story. If it doesn't, It's just something that consoles me for watching an otherwise bad film. And WTH am I doing wrong with those quotes? That one was written by Pisces...
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Post by Zombiekitten on Feb 19, 2012 7:31:40 GMT -5
I think the biggest difference of opinion here is the definition of a career. I don't think the film needs to be big to do it's job. Which is to tell a story to this world. Oh yeah, totally agree! In fact, Cillian does have a career for he worked together with so many talented people and in many really good movies so far. But of course I would love to see him in the near future as the lead in a bombastic, intelligently written, ambitious and real big quality movie. @ Shamrocks: Oh yeah, absolutely, he is very, very handsome. But still... in my personal opinion it's a very unusal handsomeness. That's why I love him so much. I never fall for "average beauties". (Brad Pitt or so... Sorry Brad ! LOL) But... maybe Cillian just does not fall into the range of beauty which is common in the media and society, and because of that, because I haven't seen many men like him in the media during my life, he does appear unusual to me. Would be interesting to do a research about that. I love such stuff. ;D
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Post by Pisces on Feb 19, 2012 9:33:45 GMT -5
Great points from everyone in this thread! ;D It's often been said that Cillian doesn't concern himself with fame, but I'm not completely convinced of that. A few months back, when he was doing promotion for either Retreat or In Time, there was an interview with him in which, when asked how he felt about being never reaching greater heights of fame, he said that "...that ship has sailed". Now, it may just be my interpretation of his comment, but that's the sort of thing people nearly always say when speaking of a regret or a missed opportunity of some sort. I've never heard someone say that in any other context, as a matter of fact. So it lodged in my mind that he said it, because the comment was so at odds with his usual stance that he shuns fame. It also made me a bit sad, because it seemed that he was accepting his current status and had more or less given up on striving for more in his film career. Meh, who knows, probably just me overanalyzing little details, as I tend to do. I agree with Zombie that he's got an unusual look to him - unusually gorgeous, to be sure - and that's part of what draws me to him. I've never been the type to go for the stars that everyone else is crazy about; I like something a little different. And Cillian is WAY different... in every way possible.
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Post by Cait on Feb 19, 2012 10:44:23 GMT -5
Wow, I hadn't really paid attention to that comment before you mentioned it, Pisces. I really hope he doesn't actually believe those words because he could reach higher fame. It just seems like he isn't really trying to, or like you said Pisces, maybe he's accepted his current level of fame and has "given up" for lack of better words.
I'm rethinking this whole thing now. If Cillian really didn't want fame, would he have taken roles like The Scarecrow, or Robert Fischer, or Raymond Leon? I do believe he wants to retain as normal a lifestyle as possible, and chooses roles based on the quality of the script, but I also think he's always wanting to improve and expand. He wants to make his mark - what actor doesn't want that?
This leads me to the question, do you all think that Cillian has peaked as an actor? Because I personally don't think so. Obviously he's extremely talented, and he's done some amazing roles that demonstrate that talent. That being said, I believe he can go above and beyond with the right role, and I'm a bit worried that perhaps he doesn't believe it himself. I could also be overanalyzing his comment that Pisces mentioned. Cillian could very well be content with where he's at, and I'm not saying he isn't content with what he's done with his career. I'm just speculating here!
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Post by bunnie24 on Feb 19, 2012 10:53:27 GMT -5
Or maybe he just said it to make himself feel guilty about maybe *wanting* a little bit more fame?
I don't know, Cillian's career is sky rocketing but I believe it could go higher, and like other gals said earlier; he needs to take more risks.
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Post by Tara la Reine on Feb 29, 2012 19:56:36 GMT -5
Paraphrasing myself with regard to 'In Time': I liked it well enough but I didn't love it, and I wish I had. I wish "they" had spent more time developing it, because I really feel like the movie's world is interesting enough to have sustained perhaps a trilogy of films. Instead they made a simple-minded mix of Robin Hood and Bonnie and Clyde, killed off the most interesting character for no good reason, and skimmed over the intriguing questions raised by the premise. The friend I saw it with- a dude much more steeped in the business end of movies than I am- said it stunk of studio meddling. I don't feel like his participation was a compromise or anything. Hindsight is always 20/20, after all. What Cillian signed on for was the best role in a script centered around a fascinating conceit and being handled by a pedigreed director. No one was expecting Andrew Niccol to make his first movie in six years and have it be something like 'In Time'. If my memory serves, at one point he was planning to make an entirely different movie that Cillian was slated to be the lead for. Obviously that project came to nothing, but I think it shows that Niccol and Cillian were interested in one another. He was cast before Justin Timberlake joined up, and even then he might not have seen reason to worry. Timberlake is not a bad actor. He's done very well with supporting 'character' roles.
Cillian really does like working with writer-directors. Sometimes that works out and sometimes it doesn't. I wish it'd work out more often.
Like a lot of you, I feel like Cillian should be a much bigger star than he is. I don't know what's holding him back, either. Maybe it's industry issues. The creative people in film are still beholden to those who hold the purse strings, and those purse-string holders don't like to take chances. IMO Cillian is staggeringly beautiful, but I've seen plenty of people who disagree. I'm convinced they're the same people drooling over schmos like Channing Tatum. (No offense meant there.) Maybe it's the family issue. All of the little stories about Cillian fighting hard for a part he wanted seem to come from the early '00s. I'm not saying he doesn't still do that, but I do think the ages of his sons should be considered. I don't think it's an accident that he seems to have picked up a bit of momentum now that they are hitting grade-school age. We also don't know that Cillian hasn't got some film work on his agenda that we don't know about yet.
Yeah, I just rambled. To answer the question, I'll join the chorus: I want to see more of him full-stop, and particularly in big, quality movies. I do totally love his commitment to the Irish film industry, though, and I know it makes a difference. I've read plenty of comments from Irish people that make it clear they're proud of the way he represents his country.
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Post by leyla11 on Mar 1, 2012 1:37:39 GMT -5
I noticed that "that ship has sailed" musing too,but I interpreted it in a different way. I thought he was referring to the fact that his career was already launched in a certain direction and that was not mainstream Hollywood or fame for the sake of celebrity and money. I've been a fan of Irish & British cinema for a very long time and I think they have the best actors in the world and often the best ideas, not to mention directors and writers. The big money is in Hollywood, OK, but the problem is, IMHO, the perception Hollywood has of European actors. This is what I fear the most: Hollywood draining the life away from good actors. Then I prefer they remain in the UK or Ireland or whatever. Away from LA, it's a difficult place to live. Near their family and real friends. Near theatre and opportunities that are maybe small, but significant, away from typecasting, leeches and paparazzi. I think Cillian's career is brilliant. He has done quite a number of amazing movies and he's not even 36 yet. He has done a lot of good movies with some of the best names in recent directing history. He didn't give up theatre and he can probably walk in London without being hassled or followed by crazy paparazzi. To me this is amazing success. He's an actor, he's no movie star and that's what I really like about him, he's a human being, not a puppet. Take another young Irishman, Michael Fassbender, he starred in Band of Brothers, he tried a Hollywood career 10 years ago and no one noticed. With a startling talent, but no one cared. He had to wait another 7 years until a brilliant British director hired him in a small difficult movie that gave him visibility. What he learned was that he shouldn't have rushed to Hollywood like that. What's Hollywood offering him now? A lot of crap, luckily he learned something and I hope it stays. I don't mean Hollywood is necessarily evil, but you have to choose project carefully, from script and director and sometimes it's not enough, you need luck. Cillian was more lucky and he achieved success earlier. I mean, I live in Italy, that's the middle of nowhere, the traditional media know nothing about cinema, yet I noticed him, I saw his movies and in my small group of fellow moviegoers he's a legend. It's the longer, more difficult road to success, but in the end it's the best one, IMHO. Let's face reality: the Hollywood bigwigs will never give a leading role in a blockbuster movie to a European who they think has no "star power". Wrong, very wrong and stupid because when your stubborn British director casts McAvoy & Fassbender they do miracles and money is earned. But producers are so lazy so the Europeans usually get baddies and usually the movies are very badly written. You probably won't get rich, but you will be loved and respected and in 50 years they will remember you. Not to be rude, but who will remember the lot of soulless Hollywood fodder?
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Post by Tara la Reine on Mar 1, 2012 2:36:22 GMT -5
Well said, leyla.
Three things I want to add to my earlier ramble: 1. Cillian is only one great role away from reminding everyone how amazing he is. 2. There are actors out there- good ones, some of them- envying Cillian's career. I mean, Phillip Seymour Hoffman and a Coen brother made time in their schedules to go see him in a one-man play. 3. I've never seen anything that tells me that Cillian turned down '127 Hours'. If anyone can point me in the direction of such material, I'll be grateful.
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Post by leyla11 on Mar 1, 2012 3:11:57 GMT -5
The Coen brothers need to revamp their light, hope they have good casting ideas *nudge, nudge*. How about two young Irish actors? Maybe a musical. ah, dreaming. On the other hand, I hereby confess I'm not a fan of Danny Boyle's work. I didn't go crazy for Shallow Grave or even Trainspotting and I absolutely loathed loatherd loathed Millionnaire, it's probably #1 in my personal top ten of cringeworthy movies. The notable exceptions are 28 Days Later and Sunshine. The latter being a surprise, as it's not usually well received. And I swear it's not because Cill is in it. Well, not entirely because he's the protagonist, even though it helps! Danny strikes me as a nice chap and he has done at least 2 amazing movies. Still he never won my heart and he has to do something very very good for me to forgive him for Millionnaire. I'd put my money on Nolan. What is Nolan doing after Batman! Isn't it high time he gave Cillian a lead role? Possibly without a sack on his head
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Post by leyla11 on Apr 24, 2012 1:00:43 GMT -5
Personally, I think nowadays there are better scripts on TV than in cinema. London isn't a bad place to be, a lot of series are filmed throughout Europe. Just look at the cast of Game of Thrones, the great majority is British or Irish (hello, Liam Cunningham!). There is brilliant stuff on TV. I think it all depends on what is offered, and planning isn't very useful....yet I really respect the will not to make horrible films. Sometimes a movie isn't really what it was planned to be, but if the script sucks from the beginning it's probably going to be trash. Cillian is smart and he can understand if a script os worth the fuss, so I wouldn't worry much about his career he has a very good record, I think only one of the movies he made was a real stinker...and I think it was difficult to understand that from the beginning because the idea was pretty nice.
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Post by Zombiekitten on Apr 24, 2012 18:33:27 GMT -5
Am loving this discussion. I personally think for Cillian it's all about priorities, now that he has kids they are going to be more important to him than making some big splash in Hollywood, he doesn't seem interested in the fame game anyway but mainly in challenging himself and his craft. I think it's quite admireable what he has achieved, starring in indie movies and Hollywood blockbusters but still keeping a very low profile and consistently staying out of the gossip pages. I remember reading an interview with the singer Sia who had been working for years to achieve fame, wrote songs for Christina Aguilera etc and last year finally had a huge hit after lending her voice to David Guetta's "Titanium". After having tasted fame she realised that she hated it and instead just wanted to give her voice to tracks but not have her face in music videos etc, so that people wouldn't recognise her as easily. I love that she chose that middle way of using her gift but still keeping herself sane by staying out of the public eye but Cillian as an actor doesn't have that option, his face is his main asset and it will be shown all over the world if he stars in a blockbuster. So genuinely kudos to him for still keeping things so low-key, trying to have an impact with his craft while also being rather successful at keeping himself out of the limelight. I personally would love to see Cillian in a TV series (something like Dexter?) but if he decides to stay in London that is most likely not going to happen. Totally agree to everything you mentioned, Enomis! Welcome to the boards btw and thanks for joining this discussion with pointing out such interesting aspects. Oh, and I would love to see him too starring in a (quality!) TV series! Weekly Murphy.... But I wouldn't like it that much if he would take on a part like House for expl. which bounds him for so many years to the same character... I think that wouldn't be something very interesting for Cillian to do, being stuck in a role. Sometimes I really feel sorry for Hugh Laurie. I bet he want's to play also something else than Greg House some day... Poor guy. To the (general) audience, he will probably stay House forever....
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Post by impeachy on Apr 30, 2012 6:31:15 GMT -5
This is probably going to sound petty, but the title of this thread reminded me of something that happened on New Year's Day 2012: I saw Cillian playing Edward Dillinger, Jr. and Robert Fischer, Jr. (hey, two Juniors! ;D) back-to-back on cable. One cable channel was playing "Tron: Legacy" the same time as "Inception," which I thought was so cool and the perfect way to start the year for a Cillian fan. LOL.
Right after I finished watching Edward's scenes on "Tron," I switched the channel to "Inception," just in time for the scene when Robert took off the bag on his head in the warehouse while talking to Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Leonardo DiCaprio, I think. It was so amazing watching him play two different characters in the span of a few seconds. Sorry, I couldn't help myself...I think only fellow fans would understand something like that. ;D I took this as a positive sign for his career this year...I don't know how everybody else feels about "signs," but that's just me.
I think a lot of valid and outstanding points have been said on this thread. Personally, just like most of the people here, I wish Cillian would get more widespread recognition that is due to his talent. Sometimes, I do worry when he's making more indie films because that means I won't be able to have access to it as easily as a big-budget film. I'm not at all disheartened, though, because Cillian keeps making films and continues to be in plays, so it means that he's productive, which is a good thing. It means he keeps growing in his craft with each project that he makes. Plus, as some of you have pointed out, he's worked with some of the best directors and actors out there. So, I still feel that his career is still gaining momentum.
I think what is truly important, as I continue to watch his career from this tiny Pacific archipelago, is that he's still passionate about his craft and continues to find new projects that would challenge him as an actor, no matter if it's a small indie movie or a play or a big-budget movie. Of course, choices could make or break a career, and I want nothing but the best for him.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that for him, acting is a job, just like we have our own jobs. Acting is one of those peculiar professions where people measure success by celebrity status or awards won. In any profession, though, you have to weigh other priorities together with your career, and it could greatly affect the choices you make. The only thing I could wish for him, is that he continues to be passionate about his craft, because that, to me, is inspiring. I may not be an actor myself, but his passion inspires me in my own field.
I still feel hopeful, though, that his performances in "Misterman," "Red Lights," and his other projects that might come out this year could generate attention to his talent, and lead him to bigger (yet still substantial) roles in the future.
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Post by wikkleshamrocks on Apr 30, 2012 16:32:33 GMT -5
PEACHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! Your back! *massive hug*
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Post by impeachy on May 10, 2012 6:03:34 GMT -5
*HUGS BACK WIKKLESHAMROCKS* Thanks for that warm welcome! It's great to be back with you lovely ladies...and gentlemen. ;D
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