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Post by disarm79 on May 7, 2011 12:37:40 GMT -5
Sorry that happen to you Bunnie. I hope you take Punctuators advice. Mrs-N-Uzumaki, Same reason why I'm here. I think it's time for a big change because it's been like this too long...meaning my personal issues. |
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Post by bunnie24 on May 7, 2011 15:51:21 GMT -5
I'm really sorry to hear that too Bunnie. Hope you are feeling better now? I would advise you notify the police if you've not already done so? Also really sorry Pisces to hear that you went through that kind of thing. That really does sound horrible. :-( I notified them, but then when I saw them again later that night, I got worried. |
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Post by Cait on May 26, 2011 21:39:16 GMT -5
Okay, this may be slightly long, and I'm going to sound very down on myself, but I just have to vent. Today, there was a welcome event at my campus which I will be attending a program at this September. The course I'm taking is an exploratory course, which introduces students to a bit of everything related to applied art and media (photography, graphic design, video, sound, etc.) I got to meet my instructors and get an outline on what to expect in the course as well as a list of supplies. Here's what's gotten me "freaking out" - I knew the course would include some illustration, but today I found out that there will be a lot more hand-drawing than I first thought and now I'm panicking. I've said this before, but for those here who don't know, I can't draw! I don't know anything about drawing, and most of the supplies were art supplies for drawing and painting/watercolour. It's my dream to be a designer of some sort, and I knew that the ability to draw was a plus for, say, a graphic designer but the more I read about it, the more I'm realising that it's almost a must to be able to draw if I want to be a good designer. I tried a few contour exercises and I couldn't even do those! Now I feel like my dream will come crashing down on me because I can't draw a few simple lines!  I'm terrified that I'll be the only one in my class who can't draw. All I've ever done is digital artwork, and when I look at what other people can do with a pencil and paper, I think to myself "You'll never be able to call yourself an artist." I know they'll teach me, but how much can I learn in a year, and will it be enough to carry on with my studies? I have so much doubt in myself right now. Sorry for the negativity, I just feel so inadequate. I have a fear of not succeeding, a very annoying fear, and I will be devastated if I fail.  |
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Post by bunnie24 on May 26, 2011 22:09:58 GMT -5
You will be JUST fine Cait! You just need patience. I couldn't draw worth crap, but I managed to take some extra art classes and they helped me out. now, I'm not a Picasso or anything, but I'm better than I was before. we all have to learn to be great at something!  |
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Post by punctuator on May 26, 2011 22:18:40 GMT -5
I majored in language arts, but one of my favorite classes, the one that really let me bust loose and see things in a different way, was drawing. Our instructor told us that there's a guiding line in every composition, one strong line that holds everything together, and she said that if you can own that line, really own that sucker, just lay it down and say, "This is mine," you've got it licked. Don't sweat the details. Don't be shy. Find that line and make it yours. Hope this helps, if only a little. Man, I loved that class.... |
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Post by disarm79 on May 27, 2011 11:18:59 GMT -5
CaitI'm no Zombie haha, but I did win some awards at State while in highschool, and also a few awards in college. By the time I hit my 20's , I stopped only because I spent my time doing other things..ahem.  It was a bad move, but I'm starting to pick up the sketch pad again. "Back in the day" there was a popular book that helped me. It's called ..."Drawing on the Right Side of The Brain". Honestly, I never studied the whole book, but there were certain chapters I followed that helped me with my weak points. Like negative spacing. When I mastered that issue, everything seemed so much easier. I believe anyone can learn to draw, it may only take a little more time for some. But I think you'll be able to draw in no time Cait.
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Post by Mokey on May 27, 2011 14:09:15 GMT -5
Cait! I hope that you are feeling better today. I think that you will do just fine. Please don't give up your dream!!! This is really just a very small bump in the road and I know that you can over come it. Go get em! ;D
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Post by Zombiekitten on May 27, 2011 15:29:52 GMT -5
Cait, I will try to give you some advise and helping words as far as my abilities of writing in English allows to. And as far as my knowledge goes... 'cause I didn't get much art teaching in my life for it was mostly self taught and talent. So I can't really give you advises in techniques or things like this. But I will try to make you not going to lose hope. 'Cause there is NO need to lose hope for you! First: Don't give up your dream and don't be afraid that you might have to. 'Cause if you really wish to be a designer you will be able to achieve a lot of things, even if they might seem too high for you at the moment. If a dream is truly strong, people can grow over themselves. Drawing sure is a plus for people who want to become designers 'cause I think a design you often have to sketch very rough in the beginning, sketch with a pencil, with your own hands. But I'm not the one who says only the ones who can draw are artists! No way ! You have talent in designing, you have an eye for colours, for building up a picture. And THAT'S the most important thing: The ability of creating, the eye for art. It don't matter with which technique or tool. Let me tell you: Drawing skills alone don't mean good designer qualities ! I speak for myself 'cause I can only draw...  I 'm not that good in designing, in abstract things or something like this. So don't worry: As long as you got those abilities to build a picture and have a feeling for proportions and balance (which you have, I can't stop saying this) you will be able to draw too if that's what they want you to do in those courses. So with this conditions, your talent to create, your feeling for art, you won't fail on learning to draw as well. 'Cause drawing is something you can learn. Not every artist/designer is a born drawing talent!! (I thought there were even some famous modern artists who couldn't draw in the traditional way.... ) There are many good books and guides and stuff. (I'm sorry that I'm no help in this 'cause I can't name you some... ) And with your eye for proportions which you have you will manage this. What I can give you as a personal advice in drawing is: Try to look at an object you have to draw not just as outlines. Every object has it's body, it's shape, structure, muscles, flesh.... You really have to look into an object or animal or human, see how it's built. 'Cause at everything you want to draw you have to look at as a three dimensional object. You have to look at it as a whole thing and like Punctuator said don't lose yourself too much in details. First, the most important thing is the very simple and genuine way of how an object is built. Cillians face would make a wonderful example for this ! ;D If you once get how his bone structure is built you can catch them stunning features ! Well... what I'm trying to say: You have to go really deep ! Underneath the surface. Look at the blueprint. To stay with the Cillian-example: In the beginning, it's not important how .... hmmm... maybe Cillians lashes look like or his pupils. First you have to catch the very rough and simple building of his face and then if you got it, add the rest. And this stands for every object in the world. Simple first, and later the details. Who knows... Maybe with Cillians face as an example of how to draw you will manage to do those demands better and easier. I really hope I could helped you...  'Cause I can only give you advices from my personal point of view, from my way to draw. I'm really not a professional. I wish I was then I could give you some sort of "teaching" or coaching. But I'm not. I'm more like an amateur with talent.... AND practice !! Practice practice practice. Something very important !! Try to copy objects and figures and stuff as often as you can. If you do this you get familiar with them and you don't have to fear the lines anymore. With practice you can achieve everything ! Oh! And what I want to add: Never give up! Even when there's some object you think you can't draw in the beginning, when you can't fix some pose or anything, just stay with it. Don't let go. Maybe make another try, tear the paper, make a new start, but don't give up too easy. I'm telling you from my own experience. I always have to do my sketches three or four times, even five or more to achieve a satisfying result. And often it doesn't go as I want, it gets somehow frustrating. But I try it again and again. With doggedness.  ;D But if you have any questions you like to ask about drawing you're very welcome. I will try to help in any way I can. Don't lose hope ! You will pass these drawing lessons, I am convinced.  'cause you have very very huge talent !!! |
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Post by Pisces on May 27, 2011 15:31:21 GMT -5
Cait, I believe you will surprise yourself. I've known several people in my lifetime ("I can't draw a stickfigure!"), who, when they gave themselves a chance, were actually quite good on the sketchpad. From what I have seen of your fan art (and yes, digital art is different from sketching - but not that different), your talent will carry you through. Your sense of composition is top-notch. There is no way - I repeat, NO way - that you will fail this course. Nope. And if it makes you feel any better at all, I can tell you that I've had no formal training whatsoever. Not in writing, drawing, photoshop, etc. If you love to do something, your passion and perseverence will propel you forward and onward, no matter what. That's what matters here, don't forget - that you want to do this. Don't let anyting mar that passion. |
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Post by Cait on May 27, 2011 23:39:52 GMT -5
I must say, I'm a bit ashamed of my negative behaviour, but it certainly helped to get that out of my system, and it helped even more to read all of your encouraging words! I'm feeling much better about my course. I'm still a little nervous, but I am going to practice my drawing as much as I can in the summer months! Our instructor told us that there's a guiding line in every composition, one strong line that holds everything together, and she said that if you can own that line, really own that sucker, just lay it down and say, "This is mine," you've got it licked. Don't sweat the details. Don't be shy. Find that line and make it yours. I can't tell you how much this helped me calm down, Punctuator, thank you so much for sharing it with me! Thank you for the suggestion, Disarm, I will certainly look into getting me a copy of that book! Zombiekitten -  As I read the replies I became more and more calm, and then I read yours and it's like nothing was ever wrong! You gave perfect advice, especially about really looking into an object and seeing how it's built. I think that's what I struggle with the most. When I look at a picture I want to draw, it's complete, colourful, beautiful, and then I look at my blank sheet of paper and I have no idea where to start. What does a face look like behind all the skin, shadows, shape, and how do I build it? I'm going to teach myself how to really observe everything about a picture, and not just look at it. Thank you more than I can say! I suppose I am there to LEARN, and I will learn! Pisces - I really hope you're right, and that I do surprise myself! I've drawn before, but I've never given it a proper go. I've always avoided it because I figured, well, I'm not great at it, so I'm not going to try. LOL. You've given me hope that I can really teach myself, if I practice practice practice, like Zombie said! I actually e-mailed my instructor and told her about my worries, and she told me not to worry about it - she's never had anyone fail that section of the course, even the ones who couldn't draw. I do want this, nothing else feels right for me, and this course is exploratory - so it's really about discovering who I am as an artist, and what I really want to do whether it be photography, graphic design, animation, or film. As long as I'm doing something creative, and inspiring people, and expressing myself, I know I'll be happy. I love you girls. You're each getting a CB for calming my nerves. I just gotta get through this drawing thing for school, and then if I don't want to keep doing it, there's plenty more possibilities. Sorry for being such a worry-wart!  |
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Post by Pisces on May 28, 2011 8:14:42 GMT -5
I'm not happy because the Lightning lost Game 7 last night... But it was an amazing season and I can't wait for the next one. I'll miss my guys till then! |
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Post by Cait on May 28, 2011 10:13:22 GMT -5
Aww, I'm sorry Pisces! I don't really follow sports, but I know it means a lot to some people. Especially here, people go crazy about their hockey teams!
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Post by Kizuna on Jun 2, 2011 21:37:11 GMT -5
I'm practically at my wit's end. I've been trying to find a job, applying to any and all places that I can, and not a single one has so far given me the call back. I hate that I can't get a lot to do, nor can I make my own money. I really desperately need my own money, because I feel guilty freeloading off of my dad. |
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Post by emma286 on Jun 3, 2011 13:12:49 GMT -5
Sorry to hear that Kizuna. Been in that sort of situation a good few times in the past myself. Can appreciate it must be a really frustrating/stressful time for you. Hoping that things soon get better. |
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Post by disarm79 on Jun 3, 2011 14:49:12 GMT -5
KizunaIt's like that here too. I'm a stay at home mom and my son is going to be starting preschool within the next year or so. Which means I will be expected to go back to work. There is really nothing around here in my hometown that would pay more than $8 an hour. We have to drive about an hour away to find more opportunities. Even then, it doesn't seem like it pays enough. Pretty much just paying for daycare and gas money so whats the point. Rockford illinois(about 20min from me) is one of the top 10 worst places to live in the US, and here I always thought those guys had it easy. Just shows how bad it is in these little towns like where I'm living in. Think positive , right.....I'm hoping it gets better.
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I'm terrified that I'll be the only one in my class who can't draw. All I've ever done is digital artwork, and when I look at what other people can do with a pencil and paper, I think to myself "You'll never be able to call yourself an artist." I know they'll teach me, but how much can I learn in a year, and will it be enough to carry on with my studies? I have so much doubt in myself right now. Sorry for the negativity, I just feel so inadequate. I have a fear of not succeeding, a very annoying fear, and I will be devastated if I fail. 
It was a bad move, but I'm starting to pick up the sketch pad again. 
I 'm not that good in designing, in abstract things or something like this. 
'Cause I can only give you advices from my personal point of view, from my way to draw. I'm really not a professional. I wish I was then I could give you some sort of "teaching" or coaching. But I'm not. I'm more like an amateur with talent.... AND practice !! Practice practice practice. Something very important !! Try to copy objects and figures and stuff as often as you can. If you do this you get familiar with them and you don't have to fear the lines anymore. 
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'cause you have very very huge talent !!! 
As I read the replies I became more and more calm, and then I read yours and it's like nothing was ever wrong! You gave perfect advice, especially about really looking into an object and seeing how it's built. I think that's what I struggle with the most. When I look at a picture I want to draw, it's complete, colourful, beautiful, and then I look at my blank sheet of paper and I have no idea where to start. What does a face look like behind all the skin, shadows, shape, and how do I build it? I'm going to teach myself how to really observe everything about a picture, and not just look at it. Thank you more than I can say! I suppose I am there to LEARN, and I will learn! 
