sabine
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Post by sabine on Sept 9, 2009 0:21:50 GMT -5
I know bugger all about the legalities of publishing fan fiction on the net, but would imagine - given that the Star Trek and Sunshine fics were pulled - that those stories featured characters created by writers who hold copyright on their own creations. Since we can't copyright our own names, does that not make them free to use? I would have thought that if writing fiction using a "real" person was illegal then most of the gossip magazines on the market would be out of business. I liked Melty_Girl's fic, and she gave fair warning, it is very explicit so not for everyone. And I fail to see why it is hypocritical to read fan fic, yet say they are shy of meeting an actor, punctuation. No correlation there at all.
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Post by Larvalee on Sept 9, 2009 2:26:41 GMT -5
I will speak for myself when I say I didn't mean to spark a debate on the morality or legality of fan fic. I just wanted to basically say if you don't like it you don't have to read it and that insulting the writer really isn't necessary.
In order to try and save another thread from impending doom I will ask Cillian another question:
What is the worst most ridiculous crap role you have ever been offered and why did you turn it down?
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Post by Seabreeze on Sept 9, 2009 2:30:49 GMT -5
I know the answer. It was 28 Weeks Later. Why did he turn it down? He didn't want to be remembered for his " thing " as he put it.
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Post by Larvalee on Sept 9, 2009 2:44:57 GMT -5
I was referring to roles he DIDN'T take. Hmm you really think that was a ridiculous crap role? Wow, I think the movie and his role in particular were amazing. The storyline, the filming style, the music, I especially love the whole transformation Jim goes through during the film it shows a lot of range. It's actually one of my favorite movies. (and no, not because of his "thing" lol ) I actually always wondered why he woke up naked in the hospital.....it just doesn't make sense to me.
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Post by betablue on Sept 9, 2009 2:49:13 GMT -5
I think Seabreeze was referring to the sequel to "28 Days Later," larvalee, that sequel being "28 Weeks Later."
I enjoyed 'em both. That said, I'm hoping all to pieces that Cillian says "no" to "28 Months Later." These zombie apocalypse things can go only so far, and then they get very, very tired....
His nudity in the hospital seems even odder, doesn't it, when we see the behind-the-scenes pix where he's wearing PJs or scrubs in the hospital bed. Seems if someone would have thought to leave the key, he or she would have thought to throw a sheet over Jim, too. Probably a metaphor lurking in the wings-- Jim being naked signifies his "birth" into an awful new world, or something like that-- but it strikes me as awkward....
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Post by Seabreeze on Sept 9, 2009 2:56:17 GMT -5
Yes I was referring to the sequel. He jokes about having more sequels such as 28 Months Later, 28 Years Later etc. Now why did he wake up naked? His clothes were auctioned on e-bay. No. I thought Boyle had the hots for Cillian and this was one way of getting him to take his clothes off.
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Post by betablue on Sept 9, 2009 3:02:39 GMT -5
I know bugger all about the legalities of publishing fan fiction on the net, but would imagine - given that the Star Trek and Sunshine fics were pulled - that those stories featured characters created by writers who hold copyright on their own creations. Since we can't copyright our own names, does that not make them free to use? I would have thought that if writing fiction using a "real" person was illegal then most of the gossip magazines on the market would be out of business. I liked Melty_Girl's fic, and she gave fair warning, it is very explicit so not for everyone. And I fail to see why it is hypocritical to read fan fic, yet say they are shy of meeting an actor, punctuation. No correlation there at all. Names are free to use unless and until those names obviously refer to a real, specific person. I remember reading a court case where a manufacturer of portable toilets was issued a cease-and-desist over the use of the phrase "Here's Johnny!"-- which said phrase was found to connote talk-show host Johnny Carson in a derogatory light. Out of curiosity, how many run-of-the-mill gossip magazines contain articles describing celebrities in graphic sexual situations...? I'll hazard a "none." At least not the ones wishing to avoid being sued for libel. Also out of curiosity, how would you feel if you came across a story on the Internet that referred, using your real name, to a character matching your physical description and placed that character in graphic compromising situations-- even under a "this is fiction" disclaimer...? At the least, I would feel disturbed and a little hurt. But that's just me. I realize that. I think we need to agree to disagree here, sabine. I don't think there's anything inherently hypocritical about reading fan fiction. Of course I don't. But real-name celebrity smut-fic makes me deeply uncomfortable. I don't wish to stalk Cillian, but I'd sooner get my kicks reading stories about the fictional characters he plays, and saying "Hi" to him occasionally in person. Which, with luck, I'll be doing in Toronto. Take care, and please accept my apologies for the misunderstanding.
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Post by Seabreeze on Sept 9, 2009 3:37:37 GMT -5
Bravo bteablue. Couldn't have said it better.
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Post by emma286 on Sept 9, 2009 5:56:34 GMT -5
Emma-- If it appears on the 'net, technically it is considered "published," even if licensing, copyright, and monetary factors don't come into play. Paramount Pictures, for example, regularly exercises its rights to squelch "Star Trek" fan fic, even though no money changes hands. Two years ago, Twentieth Century-Fox exercised its rights to remove fan videos related to "Sunshine," even though no money changed hands there-- and even though the extra publicity could only have helped the film. If you keep something in a folder on your desktop, or on paper, it's not published. The second you park the contents of that folder on LiveJournal or Fanfic.net, those contents are published. Fair enough points there Betablue. I won't argue with you on those. But just one thing I'd like to ask out of curiosity - has such a statement actually been issued about 28 Days Later in regards to fan fic stuff? I just find it odd that if "we" (the faceless, semi-nameless "we") point out that "real" Cillian (there was a sale on quotation marks at Sam's Club, so I stocked up) looks like he's in need of a sandwich (or seven), a shower, and a nap, we're accused of rank speculation. But if someone else writes-- all in the name of fantasy-- about Cillian's tongue being stuck in Naomie Harris's whazoo, that's perfectly fine and dandy and a valid form of expression. I guess I can appreciate where you're coming from there - to a point. But even so one thing Melty Girl did do, as far as I remember anyways, was avoid depicting Cillian in a negative way when it comes to real life (I think it is worth pointing out again that despite her using Cillians real name, that her story was still intended to be purely fictional). On the other hand when people make random comments on here such as 'god he looks like he needs a sandwich' then to me that comes across as a personal put down about him on a real life basis (even if such comments weren't actually meant in that way). As opposed to if such a sentence had alternatively been phrased along the lines of 'Jeez, I don't think that guy is looking too healthy right now. Looks as if he's lost a fair bit of weight since the last time I saw a picture of him and looks completely exhausted. I do hope he's doing ok.' which puts across a very different impression. Another point too, I know if I were him, and happened to come across comments like that made by said fans on a fan site - I'd certainly take it as an insult. And would you especially like it if someone came out with a critical comment like that about the way you looked? Yes, Melty_Girl is a good writer. I'm simply and elementally uncomfortable with Cillian being presented, by name, in pornographic scenarios, even as fantasy. Or fantasies that find their way onto the great and murky 'net, anyway. Seems there are topics better suited to the light of day. Fair do's. You have the right to your own opinion and feelings on that one - even if to some extent these might differ to mine. Anyways apologies to everyone if this looks like I'm trying to ruin the thread. I'm honesly not out for a row with anyone or anything, was just expressing my point of view there. Back on topic, so far I think everyone in here has come up with some really great questions. Keep them coming!
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sabine
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Post by sabine on Sept 9, 2009 9:27:56 GMT -5
If I could clear up one or two things: Betablue, it was a post by the user 'punctuation' that suggested the hypocrisy of reading "sleazy" fan fic while claiming to be shy about meeting Cillian. That post seems to be been deleted since. I certainly wasn't directing that comment at you. I was asking a valid question regarding the use of real life people in fan fiction. I figure it is either legal or it's not, whether the fic portrays Cillian baking a cake, patting a puppy or getting extremely down and dirty. I realise that many people will find the fan fic in question objectionable, and that is entirely understandable. Not sure about the difference between fan fiction and role playing, but for those who wouldn't like Melty_Girl's work, try the rp currently in progress on this site. A drunken Jackson Rippner has just lobbed his undies at Kitten. Much more tasteful. Seabreeze, you say you couldn't have said it better. Believe me, on this one occasion, I agree with you entirely. You couldn't.
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Post by Seabreeze on Sept 9, 2009 10:00:35 GMT -5
What's funny to one person may be distasteful to another. I don't think anyone is going to get sued, not by Cillian at least. We use real names in satire and SNL didn't get sued .If Cillian was insulted or upset we would of heard something. He knows about this fan forum for he was invited to chat, if you recall. Please, please, Rippner does not wear undies unless he borrowed Kitten's Victoria Secrets. It is rumoured that Rippner, Kitten, and Cillian have the same bra size. Makes you wonder, hmmmm.
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sabine
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Post by sabine on Sept 9, 2009 10:09:08 GMT -5
Hi there, Seabreeze. Jackson in frillies? Never! Though that might account for that slightly pained look in Red Eye....
I've helped shove this thread so far off topic, apologies.
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Post by emma286 on Sept 9, 2009 10:20:35 GMT -5
If Cillian was insulted or upset we would of heard something. He knows about this fan forum for he was invited to chat, if you recall. Really, when was that? Was that recently? Did any of you guys get to chat to him online? Sorry again to everyone for also taking this thread off subject a bit, but I had to ask!
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Post by Seabreeze on Sept 9, 2009 11:54:36 GMT -5
That was a very long time ago, after he finished Sunshine. I don't remember who arranged it either Jo or Shannon. They believed and lead everyone to believe it was a done deal but it never happened. So he knows all about this forum. who knows, maybe he's Rippner on line?
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Post by Larvalee on Sept 9, 2009 12:38:43 GMT -5
Wouldn't that be the coolest thing if he was Rippner?! Doubtful but an intriguing thought! That would explain why he doesn't post very much because he is a busy man. Sorry for misreading your post Seabreeze, I read it as 28 DAYS Later so I was confused. I wish they didn't have such similar titles, I misread one for the other all the time if I am reading quickly. So they are making a 28 Months Later too? I thought I had heard rumors about it but is it a sure thing now? I really don't see how much more the story could be developed, as much as I like the movies I think it's time to stop now. lol
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