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Post by fosforito on Dec 8, 2005 2:40:35 GMT -5
too nice? too sudden? really? ugh where do you see that? At least Jon was being nice though, although it seemed a bit TOO nice. Too sudden. Sorry for the lack of review... I'm reading this while doing schoolwork  |
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Post by ohiouniversitygirl on Dec 8, 2005 6:25:08 GMT -5
That chapter was cool, fosforito! For some reason, Crane reminded me of Scrooge (after his transformation, of course). I know that Crane always had a good side, while Scrooge had mostly lost his...but that is what I thought of when I saw Crane begin to turn over his new leaf and show his poor secretary some much deserved compassion! ;D
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Post by fosforito on Dec 8, 2005 6:33:14 GMT -5
oh thank you for your kind words (although I have to admint I daon´t have any idea who Scrooge is..  ..) Yeah, this is a kinda turning point for Jon.: first he shows more compassion for his secretary and second he fights again Scarecrow by realizing that Alex didn´t contacted him because of maybe not wanting to. He realized that had been kinda selfish before, manipulated by Scarecrow: "Why didn´t she called? etc.." He still doesn´t know the details but he got just a slight idea of what must have happened to Alex the past years. And have you realized giving the injection to himself? This was actually the first time he used some medication against his schizophrenia and maybe you also might have noticed that I tried to put some physical fight into the chapter just to show a bit how difficult it is to really put a desease like schizophrenia into a form... First he That chapter was cool, fosforito! For some reason, Crane reminded me of Scrooge (after his transformation, of course). I know that Crane always had a good side, while Scrooge had mostly lost his...but that is what I thought of when I saw Crane begin to turn over his new leaf and show his poor secretary some much deserved compassion! ;D |
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Post by §ilvercell on Dec 8, 2005 8:14:25 GMT -5
Scarecrow needs a timeout.  |
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Post by blue on Dec 8, 2005 18:11:28 GMT -5
too nice? too sudden? really? ugh where do you see that? At least Jon was being nice though, although it seemed a bit TOO nice. Too sudden. Sorry for the lack of review... I'm reading this while doing schoolwork ^^ It's not bad, it just seemed like that to me. I probably read it too fast, as usual Skipped something. |
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Post by beyond_beautiful on Dec 8, 2005 18:18:36 GMT -5
hmmm ... scarecrow! AHHHHHHHH!
what did Jon inject himself with o.O
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Post by fosforito on Dec 8, 2005 18:26:06 GMT -5
well, he injected himself some medication against schizophrenia to get control about Scarecrow, that he can´t emerge..
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Post by beyond_beautiful on Dec 8, 2005 18:45:12 GMT -5
ahhh ... thats what I thought  All in all, I thought it was a great chapter. It's very interesting seeing the sensitive, thoughtful side of Crane |
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Post by ciaran on Dec 8, 2005 20:13:51 GMT -5
He did seem really nice though. I completely didn't expect him to offer her a pay raise. I was thinking, I don't know, he was gonna inject her or something, lol. Maybe it's Alexandra bringing out this side of him?
Yeah, I noticed the injection and had been wondering how he was keeping scarecrow under wraps. As long as the meds will control it, that's great, but I would think that the meds would need to become stronger and stronger to keep it down as a body can become immune to medication if taken over a long period of time (which although this is the first injection we've read about, he seemed pretty sure about what to inject himself with and carried a vile of it in his desk, so I'm sure it's not the first time he's injected himself with it). I did really enjoy how you showed him fighting against Scarecrow. God, I can't wait to see their trip and how it turns out. Study like crazy now so you can write more when you're done your exam! ;D
Scrooge is the main character from "A Christmas Carol" Alex, if you've ever had the chance to see it.
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Post by fosforito on Dec 8, 2005 20:48:11 GMT -5
Hey Ciaran! Thanx for clearing me up concering "A Christmas Carol" (although I must say, Azina did it before as well via email) I have to confess it was the first time I´ve ever heard about it so I now can better understand what some of the girls meant with the comparisom, what I couldn´t before... .. but it was really an unfortunate accident so to say yeah, as you said, Jon might have used this medication before and as this is always the risk of taking medication the body can get used to it, but I´ll leave it open if and how many times Jon injected it to himself. The scene has more like a key function, you know? Jon gets another proof for being manipulated by Scarecrow like "This woman never contacted you" and so on and now Jon is getting an idea of possible reasons by seeing the scars on Alex´body. And now he´s is even doing one step further in his fight against Scarecrow because before it was just arguing with him but now he even uses his medical skills by injecting himself medicine to get control over Scarecrow (what side effects this possibly could have, this is another story I´d say). And yes, bringing the good side out, offering the pay raise is definetly a "side effect" Alex has on Jon. Maybe it´s a subsconcius attempt of reparation - to himself, to Alex in a way, to the people in general?? I don´t know but could be... |
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Post by ciaran on Dec 9, 2005 5:05:37 GMT -5
Yes that makes sense. Alex is waking up his conscience, making him realize all the wrong he's done, so like you said, maybe he's trying to repair the damage by helping in what ways he can. Interesting point as well about the side effects, I never even considered that to be honest. There could even be a side effect that would make scarecrow come out permanently. Could you imagine? Poor Jon.
In some way, I wonder if he already knows why Alex has the scars and just doesn't want to think about it, but then again, how could he possibly know?
Of course because he's reunited with his one true love he's going to fight and do everything possible to keep scarecrow under control. My only question is - will he tell her about scarecrow?
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Post by fosforito on Dec 9, 2005 5:15:48 GMT -5
Well, that´s always a thing with the side effects of medication you know? Some of them are already known, and there are people reacting completely different on a certain medicine than expected. What is always said is that patient suffering from schizophrenia and not hacing the desease well-treatened are running the risk that their hallucinations get control over theit mind permamently. Okoay okay I know, maybe I´m getting too much into medical stuff now, on the other hand it´s just interesting when you think about it. "There could even be a side effect that would make scarecrow come out permanently. Could you imagine?" - Yeah, of course I do. We have seen it in BB. It´s Jon´s fear toxin bringing out Scarecrow permanently. No, Jon doesn´t know the reasons for Alex scars (she didn´t tell him yet) but due his medical knowledge and the locations of the scars, their form etc. he is getting an idea what could have happened, combining it with the circumstances (war etc.).. so in his mind he is putting the pieces together of what might have happened - and he will get to know that he wasn´t wrong about it. If Jon will tell Alex about Scarecrow? You´ll find out |
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Post by blue-eyed struck on Dec 9, 2005 19:11:40 GMT -5
awww. Missed 2 chapters. I'm reading them now! *shields eyes from comments while trying to find chapter posts* |
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Post by blue-eyed struck on Dec 9, 2005 19:42:23 GMT -5
Chapter 26: I truely enjoy it when you tie in scenes from BB! It puts more meaning to his actions in the movie and adds a little mystery because when I watch it now, I'll think, 'I wonder if that's where Alexandra fits in'. I must say I wasn't at all expecting Alex to confide in Rachel (of all people) and actually ask for her help! Knowing how she treated Jonathan at the end of the movie, I don't trust her one bit and I think Alex made a big mistake doing what she did! I mean, Bruce was already helping Rachel bring down Falcone, so really, the only thing Alex did was to blow both her and Jonathan's cover! Maybe it's just my intake of it and this really wasn't your intention, but I don't have a good feeling about this! Stupid Cow indeed! Chapter 27: URGH! Why does Scarecrow always tell him, 'I want the best for you!' Best for you my a$$!! Jonathan deserves to have love and compassion in his life, his profession can't be the only thing keeping him happy! Anyway, it was interesting to see Jon using a different method to keep Scarecrow under control. It worries me actually. Before, all he had to do was think of Alex and he would be fine. Now, it seems the 'strawy arsehole' is gaining more and more power and now needs medication to be kept away!  I guess I'll have to wait and see where his split personality takes him! As far as Jon being so generous to his secretary: I'm afraid I'd have to slightly agree with Blue!  It's just that I'm used to Dr. Crane being so formal and cold to everyone around him. It's his character's true essence and I was enjoying him only being sweet and loving to Alex. You mentioned yourself that he hated being touched by people he didn't know and I think it's the same with his personality. He's not social and he doesn't like to open up to anyone. Yes, I agree that love softens you towards strangers, but I think this was a bit too drastic for our beloved cold-hearted nasty Dr. Crane! Please leave the cuddly sweet Jonathan at home! ;D I meant no offense to your writing though Alex! You know I love your stories! |
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Post by fosforito on Dec 9, 2005 20:27:14 GMT -5
Hey blue eyed. No, I´m not offened at all. I mean this is exactly what I want from you people: I want you to think about the stuff an tell me what you REALLY think not what I want to hear from you. Okay I´ll try to give you some comments on your post: Cool to hear that, thank you Chapter 26: I truely enjoy it when you tie in scenes from BB! It puts more meaning to his actions in the movie and adds a little mystery because when I watch it now, I'll think, 'I wonder if that's where Alexandra fits in'. Okay, I´ll try to split it up a bit here: well, I think we all don´t like Rachel Dawes (including myself) and we know what happends at the end of BB and how a stupid cow she is - but there´s a big difference to us and to Alex of the story: 1) besides of Jon (and well: Falcone) Rachel is the only person Alex knows in all Gotham - and: Alex has kinda connection to rachel from the past (her brother and his sister playing together in kindergarten) - remember chapter 5? So, Alex simply can´t go to the police and say: "well, here I am. can you help me?" because she´s a part of the cime gang there, you know what I mean? 2) Alex is aware that she´s putting herself into danger with her behaviour now (and not only because of the fact that she´s betraying the persons she´s working for - and even that´s half the truth because Alex didn´t tell rachel who she´s working for really...) but in her current situation to her it´s the only plausible way to get herself and Jon out of the crime, without having him know about what she does for a living. She knows that she can´t get off that simple by saying: "I don´t want to be an assassin anymore" because her boss would tell her something else, if you know what I mean.. ,, so she has to find a "legal way" so to say, like she and all the other get caught by coincindence but not because she failed in her job but because it was only "bad luck." I must say I wasn't at all expecting Alex to confide in Rachel (of all people) and actually ask for her help! Knowing how she treated Jonathan at the end of the movie, I don't trust her one bit and I think Alex made a big mistake doing what she did! I mean, Bruce was already helping Rachel bring down Falcone, so really, the only thing Alex did was to blow both her and Jonathan's cover! Maybe it's just my intake of it and this really wasn't your intention, but I don't have a good feeling about this! Stupid Cow indeed! Scarecow is really looking for a way to make Jon a bad conscious, like wanting to hear from him: "Well you´re right. You were always be there for me and no her." He´s simply trying to manipulate him but he starts to realize that it doesn´t work that easy anymore. ! Chapter 27: URGH! Why does Scarecrow always tell him, 'I want the best for you!' Best for you my a$$!! Jonathan deserves to have love and compassion in his life, his profession can't be the only thing keeping him happy! Maybe you have noticed there was also a difference in Scarecrow´s attack? Especially when Jon pulled out the syringe? What I wanted to express is another "state" of the schizophrenia Jon is indeed suffering from. And Jon is starting to change somehow and this has to do with Alex and by taking medication against his desease he´s making one more step forward wanting to get more control of his life, maybe even start a new life or at least a new chapter in his life as he knows that there are a lot of things to be cleard up and so HE wants to have the control to do this and not Scarecrow. And just imagine Scarecrow: he realizes how Jon is changing and the "old" way of controlling him doesn´t seem to work well anymore so he has to look for "alternatives" Anyway, it was interesting to see Jon using a different method to keep Scarecrow under control. It worries me actually. Before, all he had to do was think of Alex and he would be fine. Now, it seems the 'strawy arsehole' is gaining more and more power and now needs medication to be kept away! I guess I'll have to wait and see where his split personality takes him! Okay I think the secretary part is really the one part everybody is kinda confused of as far as I can see it. What I wanted to express with it is that because of Alex being in Jon´s life he changes in a way as I said above. It´s like he wants to do some reparation even if he´s not aware of it - for Alex in a way, for himself in a way, as he already made the first step of somehow wanting to start a new life with her. So being kind to the secretary has more like a metaforical function in here and I chose the secretary because it wasn´t the first time they dealed with each other in the story and she already had noticed that he´s changing somehow (remember the bagel scene?) So I think, both - Alex and Jon - have to change in a certain way (what doesn´t mean they have to take a 180 degree turn) to really be able to start a new life together.. Well I hope, it somehow makes sense what I wrote here... As far as Jon being so generous to his secretary: I'm afraid I'd have to slightly agree with Blue! It's just that I'm used to Dr. Crane being so formal and cold to everyone around him. It's his character's true essence and I was enjoying him only being sweet and loving to Alex. You mentioned yourself that he hated being touched by people he didn't know and I think it's the same with his personality. He's not social and he doesn't like to open up to anyone. Yes, I agree that love softens you towards strangers, but I think this was a bit too drastic for our beloved cold-hearted nasty Dr. Crane! Please leave the cuddly sweet Jonathan at home! ;D I meant no offense to your writing though Alex! You know I love your stories! And don´t worry: I do not feel offeneded, this is really what I want to have: I want to discuss with you people about the story and I don´t want you to say "Yes and Amen" to everything. I want to hear from you what you really think!!! Okay?? |
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I guess I'll have to wait and see where his split personality takes him!
It's just that I'm used to Dr. Crane being so formal and cold to everyone around him. It's his character's true essence and I was enjoying him only being sweet and loving to Alex. You mentioned yourself that he hated being touched by people he didn't know and I think it's the same with his personality. He's not social and he doesn't like to open up to anyone. Yes, I agree that love softens you towards strangers, but I think this was a bit too drastic for our beloved cold-hearted nasty Dr. Crane! Please leave the cuddly sweet Jonathan at home! ;D